@civodul @cwebber the reason I'm always skeptical of these efforts is that to me it always seems like people designing for someone else.

like ... I have no idea how to design a notation for programmers who for some reason hate parens, because I can't even begin to understand where they are coming from and what it is about the current notation they don't like.

I can only do a good job at designing things that are meant to be used by for people like me, or I have to (at least in some sense) become a different kind of person.