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1. Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:11:07 CEST Csepp 🌢

   I keep thinking about that thread on the BlenderArtists forum where people were defending a technically neat but politically extremely shallow piece of art with "well we don't care about politics here, only the art" and, ugh.
   Was reminded of it with because someone mentioned how Italian futurism was tied to fascism and I'm pretty sure my art classes omitted that uncomfortable fact for some reason. I really don't like the "art can be fully divorced from politics" meme.
   #theVent

   • Wim 🈂️ (wim_v12e@cybre.space)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:11:04 CEST Wim 🈂️

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     • me me milo

     @csepp What about art where the message has no social impact?

     @milofultz

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:11:04 CEST Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     • Wim 🈂️

     @wim_v12e @csepp I think nowadays we are too centered on everything having some kind of activism inside. Like people have to be activists all the time.
     There's a realm where people simply exist.
     I think art is the same.

     Some art is just something you do
     for doing something, but not for what it means. It doesn't really have to pretend to be anything.
     Many art does not have any goal, that's what makes it different from... tools and devices.

   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:11:05 CEST Csepp 🌢

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     • me me milo

     @milofultz "Message" in this case is "social impact". Memetic payload. If the art has a negative social effect, it's bad. Similarly, if it has a positive effect, it's good, even if it was made with bad intentions.

   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:11:07 CEST Csepp 🌢

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     Like, even the choice of medium and materials is political. If you choose to make high poly sculpts on a powerful PC, that further legitimizes tech optimism.
     A piece of art is always a message. If the message is bad - regardless of intention - then the art is bad.
     So it's frustrating that that piece was selected for a monthly BlenderArtists newsletter.
     Okay, rant over.

   • me me milo (milofultz@merveilles.town)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:11:07 CEST me me milo

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     @csepp "A piece of art is always a message. If the message is bad - regardless of intention - then the art is bad."

     I've always had trouble separating the artist from the art, but this sentence reads to me as swinging the other way, in the impossibility in separating the viewer from the art.

     In the statement above, are you saying that the artist is creating the message, or the viewer?

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:42:27 CEST Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     • Wim 🈂️

     @wim_v12e @csepp also I have to say... maybe my definition of what is art is too broad

   • Wim 🈂️ (wim_v12e@cybre.space)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:42:27 CEST Wim 🈂️

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     • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

     @ekaitz_zarraga Then again, maybe not :-D Who is to say what is art and what isn't?

     @csepp

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:42:27 CEST Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     • Wim 🈂️

     @wim_v12e Well, according to one of the answers I got form the previous message looks like they define art as something that has a political background. :)
     So it looks they are who says what's art and what isn't!

     @csepp

   • Wim 🈂️ (wim_v12e@cybre.space)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:51:39 CEST Wim 🈂️

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     • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

     @ekaitz_zarraga
     The definition art is, like anything, socially constructed. So it is to be expected that various communities might have different definitions.

     @csepp

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 20:51:39 CEST Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     • Wim 🈂️

     @wim_v12e @csepp well... one might argue that what my niece draws has a political/social impact... or that it's not art.... IDK

   • Wim 🈂️ (wim_v12e@cybre.space)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 21:20:31 CEST Wim 🈂️

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     • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

     @ekaitz_zarraga
     One might and I'm sure some people do. I personally think there is not much merit in the discussion of what is art. The discussion of the message of an artwork is an interesting one though. Because the artwork is a vehicle of communication between the artist and the audience. And as such it will have a message, though not necessarily a clear and unambiguous one. I think the message depends very much on the cultural and societal context of the artist and the audience, and whether these contexts are shared or not.

     @csepp

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 21:20:31 CEST Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     • Wim 🈂️

     @wim_v12e Yep! One of the things I wanted to add too is the fact that some art is done by pure egoistic purposes: I do this for myself. So it might not have any audience or message...

     But yeah, I agree on everything you say here.

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 21:28:03 CEST Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     • Wim 🈂️

     @csepp @wim_v12e I can also bother you if you like the next time :D

   • Wim 🈂️ (wim_v12e@cybre.space)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 21:28:04 CEST Wim 🈂️

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     • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

     @ekaitz_zarraga Of course, there is only a message when there is communication. If your art is never shared with an audience, there is no communication. Also, of course the message does not have to be intentional.

   • Csepp 🌢 (csepp@merveilles.town)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-2022 21:28:04 CEST Csepp 🌢

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     • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹
     • Wim 🈂️

     @wim_v12e @ekaitz_zarraga (I wasn't bothered by being tagged so feel free to tag me if yall wanna.)