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  1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 12:20:59 CET Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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    5 years ago: Digital Feudalism and How to Avoid It

    https://vimeo.com/77257232

    I learned a lot in those five years and we’re still working for the same goals. Surveillance Capitalism is worse than it ever was but we also have new hopes: @Purism, Mastodon, @gnome, DAT, …

    The one thing I’d change is to replace “open source” with “ethical technology” and “free (as in freedom)” in my words.

    In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 12:20:59 CET from mastodon.ar.al permalink
    • Michał "phoe" Herda (phoe@functional.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 12:51:20 CET Michał "phoe" Herda Michał "phoe" Herda
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      @aral

      Open source is a licensing scheme, free software and ethical technology are software ideologies. As far as I understand it, the first aligns with the goal of surveillance capitalism, the second may be used for it, and the third openly conflicts with it.

      In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 12:51:20 CET permalink
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    • StuC (stuc@social.nasqueron.org)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 13:32:40 CET StuC StuC
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      @aral @Purism @gnome today I was told that google G Suite for education has 70m+ customers and that in the USA, two schools in three are using it. I haven't checked this figure, but if it is even close to being true we are placing the data of millions of children into the hands of the largest dealer in data on earth - before we even give them a choice.

      A whole generation sold into data serfdom.

      We have to get the technology you are talking about into the hands of educators.

      How?

      In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 13:32:40 CET permalink
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    • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 13:35:27 CET Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      @StuC @Purism @gnome If the first thought people have when they hear Google is “Philip Morris” – we have a chance. Who’d support cigarettes in schools? No one. The problem is that they’re still socially acceptable. And it doesn’t help that the likes of Mozilla go around handing them out and getting paid billions for it.

      In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 13:35:27 CET permalink
    • Nikos Roussos (comzeradd@libretooth.gr)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 15:53:00 CET Nikos Roussos Nikos Roussos
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      @StuC @aral @Purism There is also a matter of digital exclusion when you give companies like Google a free pass to educational system.

      What happens with students that don't accept the Terms of Use required for using G-Suite or Chromebook?

      In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 15:53:00 CET permalink
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    • 0x49416d4e6f74414e756d626572 (rook@hulvr.com)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 16:56:43 CET 0x49416d4e6f74414e756d626572 0x49416d4e6f74414e756d626572
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      @aral @Purism @gnome

      In case you wanted to know what their COPPA compliance looks like: https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/coppa/

      Consent is mandatory, i.e. there is no opt-out of data collection with G Suite accounts. No parent/guardian consent = no G Suite.

      This is the template they offer to schools: https://support.google.com/a/answer/7391849

      They claim not to use collected data for advertising. They mention sharing data for policing, but not limited to law enforcement, or legal policing.

      In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 16:56:43 CET permalink

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    • StuC (stuc@social.nasqueron.org)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 17:10:26 CET StuC StuC
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      @rook @aral @Purism @gnome well COPPA was passed in 1998 (I think) but as late as 2014 the previous incarnation of this product was the subject of a number of law suites involving an even older law FERPA. Why because Google were doing exactly what they say they now do not do. Profiling for advertising.

      Google's business model is monetising your digital online self. It's like putting a fox amongst chickens and telling it to "Stay".

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    • Jochen Breuer :opensuse: (brejoc@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 21:41:52 CET Jochen Breuer :opensuse: Jochen Breuer :opensuse:
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      @aral I'd also like to add @elementary to that list.

      @Purism @gnome

      In conversation Sunday, 02-Dec-2018 21:41:52 CET permalink
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