@jason @hansbauer @bob @switchingsocial @brainblasted @K

There is much more we can get from textual interfaces as #Plan9 and #dmenu show.

We need more serious #UI research.

Text is so usable that people can use it since they are 6. We just need a better way to mix graphics and text interaction.

@aral

And beware that #Google is pretty aware of this. #Fuchsia is not just an attempt to remove an annoying kernel under #copyleft from its business dependencies. It's not even just an attempt to get rid of annoying #hackers like Linus, that dare to review their code.

It's an attempt to disrupt before being disrupted.
They know this crap is not going to last.
Google want to be in charge of the next Web.
If they succeed we will face a new version of this distopia, a stable one.

@grainloom

Write down what you feel.
Be precise.

Because this is going to happen more and more as you go and you might get used to it...

@deejoe @aral @wolftune @oshwm @cwebber @conservancy

But #Google is a totally different enemy.

They are not just trying to defend their market and business model as Microsoft used to do.

They are trying to co-opt #FreeSoftware.

They are not working against a present threat to them, but to orient the future.

They are an existential threat to #hacker #freedom, though "embrace, confuse, corrupt and extinguish".

Holy shit @aral...

Do you want to Out-Stallman Stallman? :-D

Nice piece, very well written.

@ondiz @estebanm

I would start from the opposite direction: what qualify
Free Software is freedom not code.

So I would start by saying:

Hi guys, this course is about Free Software and Free Software is a byproduct of hackers' curiosity, so what I'm going to teach you, is how to be curious as a hacker.

@bob @aral @conservancy

The means are to goals what the seeds are to trees.

I'm not a #moralist, I don't give a shit about how they collect their money as long as they use them well.

But this is like making a conference on #inequality sponsored by #Bezos.

It has a clear message:

Please, don't fight this battle too hard because if you win, we won't be able to fund conferences about the topic anymore!

@Wolf480pl @ekaitz_zarraga @mailoxy

I updated the #Mozilla #Firefox bug report since I'm unlikely to be able to study that script in a while: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1487081

@enkiv2 @ekaitz_zarraga @Wolf480pl @jcbrand

Spaghetti alla Carbonara is not something everybody know how to cook... confess, you have been in Italy, right? :-D

Today I explained to 22 kids what a #hacker is.

They were trilled when I said I'm a hacker and I had to stop the lesson about the difference between algorithms and programs to clarify what we do and why.

OTOH I saw their curiosity (already high... they were paying high attention to the lesson) explode!

10 minutes well spent.

@redsPL @Wolf480pl

> Real hackers are called like that by their friends and co-hackers, not by themselves.

Dude, you read the New #Jargon file, didn't you?

Did you notice that #ESR is pretty specific for the location of #hackers?
I don't recognise the moral authority of few #US people to tell if I'm a hacker or not.

I #hack thus I'm a #hacker. ?

> I haven't ever heard about Italian hackers

Never heard of Leonardo Da Vinci?
Or Antonio Meucci?
Or Guglielmo Marconi?
Or Pier Giorgio Perotto?

Interesting (and unexpected) lesson learned with the #HackingLicense: whenever you propose a #Copyleft on a public mailing list, a huge percentage of the useful and constructive feedbacks will be provided by few private emails.

Looks like there are true #hackers among #lawyers.

When did #Freedom become the permission to chose a product off the shelf?

Why should I select an existing #license for my own code?

I'm a bit puzzled with #FreeSoftware activists of these days: looks like they have forgot the *why* because of the *how*.

Well said @Ninjatrappeur

#FreeSoftware is not a consumer good.

https://lobste.rs/s/3pfy6o/backdoor_popular_event_stream_npm_repo#c_f4iphi

I'm amused.

A 14 yo approached me after the Mass and asked for help to self-host (!!!) on his own VPS (!!!) a chat service I have never listen about (!!!).

Thank God, there is hope for #hackers!

@Wolf480pl

No.

Because such murder would be (most of times) DETECTABLE.

This is the state of current #IT

me: describe a severe #JavaScript + #HTTP vulnerability affecting 90% of people using the #Web

them: You're not technically wrong, you're just disingenuous.

me: but... 90% of people vulnerable... tunnel private network... privacy... surveillance

them: trade offs... trade offs...

me: what can trade off billions of people vulnerable?

them: BAN

http://www.tesio.it/cache/2018/TildesNET_Undetectable-Remote-Arbitrary-Code-Execution-Attacks-through-JavaScript-and-HTTP-headers-trickery.html

Meanwhile I'm still "not technically wrong" and people are still "technically vulnerable".

I have NO IDEA about how much work I have lost...

It's funny to be old: you can laugh of yourself, instead of cry in panic and despair! ?

@grainloom @bugaevc @ckeen

> what if we could render #HTML in the #terminal

This is very interesting: https://2018.stateofjs.com/javascript-flavors/overview/#tool...

Nearly 70% of #JavaScript developers have less than 10 years of experience (with an average of 8.3 years).

This means they have never seen a Web where #JS was optional and #Web developers were used to test their projects without it.

This in turn explains their outraged reactions to anybody that dare to point out its severe vulnerabilities.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18485492